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March trail run
- Sugarphreak
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Re: March trail run
[quote name='Khamul' timestamp='1333422753' post='35859']
What am I missing? We don't use recovery straps with a winch.... That would be stupid... Are you saying to not use synthetic winch cable?
Not following what you are saying... Also why the aluminum instead of the standard roller... Wouldn't that be easier on the lines?
... Still learning....
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He was just following up on my comment about using straps instead of getting a longer line. It could be pretty disastrous if we used a recovery strap instead of a tow strap and it broke... kind of like what happens when you break those stretch ropes at the gym *Waaaahpisshhhh... SNAP*.
Also standard rollers can pinch and fray synthetic lines. There are some specialty rollers you can get, but an aluminum hawse is best.
[quote name='brianwidahl' timestamp='1333455048' post='35862']
correct me if im wrong
but the reason you never want to use a kinetic recovery strap is due to the elasticity. winching with a rubber band????lol
tow strap if needed like we used on mr toyota
as far as i no there is a fairlead roller for synthetic winch line
not to sure as to why this is tho
anyone shed some light on this
but lets compair
synthetic or cable winch line
pros
-safty (if line breaks)
-lighter than cable
-stores less kinetic energy
-floats in water
-easier on hands/no barbs
-wont freeze or burn
cons
-not ment to hold weight- just recover a vehicle
-more expensive
- uv can cause unnessary wear and break down
-cannot leave wet or muddy/can break down fibers in line
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I really like the fact it won't come through my window if things go south and the line ever breaks, lol.
What am I missing? We don't use recovery straps with a winch.... That would be stupid... Are you saying to not use synthetic winch cable?
Not following what you are saying... Also why the aluminum instead of the standard roller... Wouldn't that be easier on the lines?
... Still learning....
[/quote]
He was just following up on my comment about using straps instead of getting a longer line. It could be pretty disastrous if we used a recovery strap instead of a tow strap and it broke... kind of like what happens when you break those stretch ropes at the gym *Waaaahpisshhhh... SNAP*.
Also standard rollers can pinch and fray synthetic lines. There are some specialty rollers you can get, but an aluminum hawse is best.
[quote name='brianwidahl' timestamp='1333455048' post='35862']
correct me if im wrong
but the reason you never want to use a kinetic recovery strap is due to the elasticity. winching with a rubber band????lol
tow strap if needed like we used on mr toyota
as far as i no there is a fairlead roller for synthetic winch line
not to sure as to why this is tho
anyone shed some light on this
but lets compair
synthetic or cable winch line
pros
-safty (if line breaks)
-lighter than cable
-stores less kinetic energy
-floats in water
-easier on hands/no barbs
-wont freeze or burn
cons
-not ment to hold weight- just recover a vehicle
-more expensive
- uv can cause unnessary wear and break down
-cannot leave wet or muddy/can break down fibers in line
[/quote]
I really like the fact it won't come through my window if things go south and the line ever breaks, lol.
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- humybby
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Re: March trail run
Sorry about the delay in response - I was at the Juno Awards in Ottawa.
Nick nailed it. However, if I HAD to use a kenetic strap attached to my winch cable to recover myself, I would.
Synthetic line is awesome in many ways, probably it's greatest weakness is that it's not abrasion resistant. It's greatest benefit is that it doesn't store energy like a steel cable does.
Right now I have a steel cable on my truck, and it'll stay there until the snow is gone. After that I'll take off the steel and wrap the synthetic line I already have onto the spool. I have 2 abrasion sleeves and a synthetic extension cable.
The reason I won't install it until after the snow is that my winch usually gets all iced up during the winter runs. So I hit it with sticks and boots to free the cable up. I don't feel that the synthetic is up to the abuse.
Greg
Nick nailed it. However, if I HAD to use a kenetic strap attached to my winch cable to recover myself, I would.
Synthetic line is awesome in many ways, probably it's greatest weakness is that it's not abrasion resistant. It's greatest benefit is that it doesn't store energy like a steel cable does.
Right now I have a steel cable on my truck, and it'll stay there until the snow is gone. After that I'll take off the steel and wrap the synthetic line I already have onto the spool. I have 2 abrasion sleeves and a synthetic extension cable.
The reason I won't install it until after the snow is that my winch usually gets all iced up during the winter runs. So I hit it with sticks and boots to free the cable up. I don't feel that the synthetic is up to the abuse.
Greg
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- Sugarphreak
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Re: March trail run
Oh for pete's sake.... I ordered the winchline from a buyer on Amazon in the evening, then formally cancelled it less than 20 minutes later with a polite message, as I found the exact same line for 60$ cheaper elsewhere. Got a message today "The buyer has now shipped your item!" <img src='http://www.canadianhummerclub.com/forum ... ngHead.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':banghead:' />
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- Khamul
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Re: March trail run
Lol...
If you get 2... I'll buy one off you as long as it's strong enough for mine...
If you get 2... I'll buy one off you as long as it's strong enough for mine...
Live life like there is no tomorrow!! You never know what's around the next corner.....
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Re: March trail run
[quote name='Khamul' timestamp='1333504308' post='35875']
Lol...
If you get 2... I'll buy one off you as long as it's strong enough for mine...
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Luckily I got busy this afternoon with work and I didn't order the other one yet... I was about to when I got the e-mail they had ignored my request for cancellation and gone ahead and shipped it.
If you want one order from here, you have to call in as the web site doesn't work for Canadian orders. I sent them an e-mail and they told me just to call to get it.
http://www.amsteelblue.com/3-8-Inch-Amsteel-Blue/
Lol...
If you get 2... I'll buy one off you as long as it's strong enough for mine...
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Luckily I got busy this afternoon with work and I didn't order the other one yet... I was about to when I got the e-mail they had ignored my request for cancellation and gone ahead and shipped it.
If you want one order from here, you have to call in as the web site doesn't work for Canadian orders. I sent them an e-mail and they told me just to call to get it.
http://www.amsteelblue.com/3-8-Inch-Amsteel-Blue/
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- humybby
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Re: March trail run
[quote name='Sugarphreak' timestamp='1333504718' post='35877']
Luckily I got busy this afternoon with work and I didn't order the other one yet... I was about to when I got the e-mail they had ignored my request for cancellation and gone ahead and shipped it.
If you want one order from here, you have to call in as the web site doesn't work for Canadian orders. I sent them an e-mail and they told me just to call to get it.
http://www.amsteelblue.com/3-8-Inch-Amsteel-Blue/
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Amsteel is a great brand. Recommended
Greg
Luckily I got busy this afternoon with work and I didn't order the other one yet... I was about to when I got the e-mail they had ignored my request for cancellation and gone ahead and shipped it.
If you want one order from here, you have to call in as the web site doesn't work for Canadian orders. I sent them an e-mail and they told me just to call to get it.
http://www.amsteelblue.com/3-8-Inch-Amsteel-Blue/
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Amsteel is a great brand. Recommended
Greg
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2001 HMCS - knows how to get to Moab all by itself!
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2001 HMCS - knows how to get to Moab all by itself!
- Khamul
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Re: March trail run
Am I blind?.. I don't see the rating of the lines?
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Re: March trail run
[quote name='Khamul' timestamp='1333595331' post='35921']
Am I blind?.. I don't see the rating of the lines?
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3/8" line Strength = 17,600 lbs
In comparison, the Tuff-Stuff line which is a much larger 1/2" in dia. only does 16,000 lbs or so.
Am I blind?.. I don't see the rating of the lines?
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3/8" line Strength = 17,600 lbs
In comparison, the Tuff-Stuff line which is a much larger 1/2" in dia. only does 16,000 lbs or so.
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Re: March trail run
Ordering.....
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