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"THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS"



To quote Artie Johnson from Laff-in "very interesting". Along time ago I found some Humvee doors ( x units ) for about a Grand each new or 750 used. Problem was they were armoured units so customs could be sticky. As for assembly we would ideally need a old service station or rent a shop setup with hoists and lifts. As for the design it sounds like the model of the Basic Humvee frame (open top no doors we have one as does Markus and will bring it to meet). Next question is will MTO certify a truck with soft or no doors ( actually saw a jeep with drivers door removed having its plates being removed).

All in all this requires a lot of thought and investigation I would like to see the specs and have governments look them over before even concidering any action. Also we should remember the H1 prices on existing units most likely will fall with NEW units available although many older H1's with frame problems may become parts for hybred H1/Humvee C's.

To AMG how about you setup a show at next years CNE or Auto show with all the Hummer types and presenting the Humvee C with all the certification people or paperwork available so buyers could do all the paper work at once.



Just an after thought I would like to talk to someone about hybred/ all electric power train for this. maybe we could build a really green Humvee.

Why would existing H1 prices drop? These are Humvee kits.. not H1 kits..and the kits are not for everyone, they will not be like H1s..they will be like Humvees..the interior, exterior, etc will not look like and H1..so I am not sure if the classic H1 prices will fall..I don't foresee that but I guess anything is possible and as a current H1 owner.. that doesn't really worry me...I think this opens doors for guys that are currently retrofitting existing trucks with new engine and tranny, it gives them different avenues to go down..and a lot more choices..



The Hybrid/electric idea is interesting.. I am sure someone will jump on that...

I still have some reservations on this, mostly if it will be a pain in the ass with the Canadian gov allowing it in an easy way or bogging it down in paperwork <img src='http://www.canadianhummerclub.com/forum ... ngHead.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':banghead:' />

but.......... the thought of having a new Humvee under my ass is a motivating factor <img src='http://www.canadianhummerclub.com/forum ... ght_on.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':right_on:' /> so one question for Roy, Polar bear and Phil; if I drop off the kit and the engine and tranny how much do you rekon to get it street legal? (and remember I want the brother price,,,,, now the first cousin one <img src='http://www.canadianhummerclub.com/forum ... oflmao.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rotflmao:' />



God I want one <img src='http://www.canadianhummerclub.com/forum ... adbang.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':headbang:' />

Doesn't anyone know someone at MTO?

By the Way, Phil and Roy were aat the presentation so I am sure their wheels are already turning...



We need someone in Transportation Canada and the I sure province by province it could differ.

I've built a couple of cars in the last 10 years and will agree with "road whore" no way your going to build a proper truck for under $100,000 unless you own your own truck wrecking yard

and have access to slave labor.

Dont get me wrong, I would love one but my head (and wallet) are ruling my heart on this. Looking at some of the other hummer forums the price is a concern for everyone so far..... if the $60k is for the soft top then how much will they charge for a slant back or wagon? lots of comments are popping up suggesting the price be set at the $35-40K mark.



Ok, I'm going to be the devils advocate on this so;



The HUMVEE has a wide fan club and foremost in that are the troops that have used them in battle. most of these guys and girls would jump at the chance to own one but, the cost is the biggest factor. look at the sales on older H1's and the price average - in around the $40K mark. look at who wants it and the vast majority will be the average joe that cant afford an $80-100K rig never mind a kit car. Bring the kit out in around the $35-$40k price and AM are still onto a winner because it will open up a lot more sales and in turn help safeguard the jobs at risk because the volume will go up.

I ran the "C" past my wife (yeah like none of you havent done the same <img src='http://www.canadianhummerclub.com/forum ... adbang.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':headbang:' /> ) and I got a shock statement from her on it, she went for it on one condition "I want one too" <img src='http://www.canadianhummerclub.com/forum ... /blink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' /> ................. the $35-$40k thing is tight but can be done as the finished rig would be around the $60-70K mark so for 2 it is around the $100-$120K mark (discount on labor assumed) vs. 100K for one......



One comment on another forum did strike a cord along the lines of buying a H1 for 30K and dumping $20-30K into it and you still have a better deal than the "C"..... I know we covered this already but it is still an option and you don't have any BS regarding the title or insurance as a "kit car".



For the $75K for the whole kit (including the extras) you could buy the fake hummer from China..... ready to drive! since it is an exact copy of the HMMWV barring some looks, you could in theory drop a HMMWV body on it !!



If GM have any sense left they would rerun a low end version of the H1 around the $70-$80K mark and look at volume. All the Oil patch boys and girls know how many trucks we use and the fact that the vast majority are Fords .... I'm not talking about a few hundred trucks here, each project has a few hundred on each plot!! one project just bought 12 F-150 raptors to try on site, because they have to lift the standard one when they get them. the kearl project has over 200 F150's and about the same in F250 and 350's the H1 would be a gift on any of these jobs. no mods required, just jump in an drive.



anyway, that my 2 cents on it...... but I still want one <img src='http://www.canadianhummerclub.com/forum ... ngHead.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':banghead:' />



quick question; how many more of us would go for the kit if it was around the $40K price?

how do you get the $40K price tag?? I still believe a 100K would be close to the final price tag built..



I mean I hate to say this but these trucks aren't cheap..trying buying any parts for an existing H1 and then you will understand maybe the higher price point, and to compare a humvee to the Chinese replica.. come on Martin...



if we are to add up the cost of what you are getting in the package, and since we do not have a complete inventory list, it is hard to do it...but I think they aren't far off the entire suspension system alone will run you upwards to 12K each if you had to buy it all new, everything..remember right down to the bolts, washers, and nuts, each geared hub is over 1500, and each half shaft is another 500, so that is 8K there alone, how about idler, pitman, tierod ends, spring, shocks, controller arms, balljoints, linkages, swaybars, steering column, diffs, the entire braking system, the rear calipers alone are over 400 each,..not to mention the chassis, the body, the hood, the somewhat interior, even the soft top roof is 1500.



so I think the entire list needs to come forward on what is included before anyone can really question the price.. and like AM General told us in the presentation.. this truck will not be for everyone, and the H1 was never intended to be either when AM General first marketed it..so the price will for sure scare some people away.. I think they understand that, same way a lot of other car and truck companies work..it will be interesting to see how it all plays out



as for GM rerunning the H1 in any fashion.. I do not see that happening..I think the relationship between the two businesses may be a bit "strained" and since AM General owns all the equipment to produce both the H1 and the H2.. i do not think we will see ether of them offered by GM ever again.



there is still a lot of details to be worked out.. not sure if the truck is built in the US, can it then come into Canada as a complete truck? I imagine and know that Predator and other companies will be making them as soon as they hit the market..and the price will skyrocket because of the options..



I also think that someone on our board must know someone in the Ministry of Transportation that could help shed some light on this but I would imagine they would need an complete listing of what the kit comes with first before they can make a judgement.



anyways I think all this is very interesting and I hope we see this through to completion.. it will be great for the Hummer community to have some life breathed back into the brand!

like I said, I would love one but as you point out there is just not enough information at the moment to make a real call on it.

I think you know that if the deal is a good one and all the requirements are easy to fill to get it on the road, then one of the first 50 will have my name on it <img src='http://www.canadianhummerclub.com/forum ... ght_on.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':right_on:' /> its the odds and ends that will jack the cost up. I hope AM come out with a detailed package ASAP and maybe even offer the hard doors as an option.



The $40K price tag is via another forum in the US, some of them even think a $25K for the kit is the right price, and yes they are dreaming. in part the $40K price is because the engineering has already been done and the parts are available so I can see where they are coming from on that. I still recon the $50K is where they could be and open it up to more people with the $60k for a rolling rig minus the motor and trans.

time will tell what happens....we all are waiting...they said a "few weeks" and they will release more.. I imagine with all this press they are getting now, it won't take long..seems like it all exploded in the media now..