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Ok, I know we have had an issue or two with people giving you a hard time about your trucks, maybe some more then others, about how much fuel it uses, bad for the environment, blah, blah...but today I started to try and search out a Biodiesel station in the Brampton/Mississauga area and have so far had no luck, I looked at a larger area, all Toronto and only found one located downtown town Toronto with the most unusual hours of operation known to man. So the question I have is that if all the Buses, city trucks, and cars run on Biodiesel and all the cities want a green community, why do they not offer fuel for the regular public to purchase as well? Biodiesel for the H1s and Ethanol for other vehicles, I am not saying everyone will use it but at least offer it.



I honestly have no idea how many vehicles are in the Toronto area and then what percentage of them are diesel or how many who consider using this as an option but at least have one, I mean Brampton is more then 450,000 people and I can't find one, Mississauga is another close to 700,000 and no luck there either...come on now, how can we try if it is not available?



If the buses and city cars can, then why not make it for the public too...I would give it a try, for sure...I am sure there are others as well...



any thoughts guys or do you know of any locations and what have your experiences been like?

So true! Most the new trucks these days are flex fuel vehicles, and they use this as a sales tool saying how inexpensive E85 is... Naturally they decline to say your vehicle burns way more E85 than gasoline since per unit gasoline has more energy than ethanol thus you must burn more, but despite that and out of interest I have looked and there are NO E85 gas stations in Calgary even if I wanted to use it!!



A city of a million+ people and probably the pickup truck capital of our Canada, and still no E85 where people would actually buy it... if only they had the choice!!



And then your comments on biodiesel as well, honestly don't know too much about it but you make some very valid points. Maybe the guy in the SUV isn't so bad and really would do his/her part to help the environment!

very true Jarrett... true...I have been to Calgary, I think it is against the law there to drive anything that isn't a truck or a LARGE SUV



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need to find an Olco here, not sure where there is one...

Why we dont have more Biodiesel Station.. well



1. as Jl mentionned energy output is way lower than gasoline



2. Very high cost to refine and produce



3. although cleaner at the pipe there is a issue like the prius vs hummer or honda insight vs hummer which is cleaner?

although cleaner at the pipe the 2 small cars left a significantly higher foot print in carbon emission to create and build than an Hummer. At end of life honda hybrid or the toyota Prius are barelly 45% recyclable as the hummer is practicly 100% recyclable. Which one is cleaner now?? So creating, refining, producing biofuel is way more poluant than refining fosil fuel. End result cheaper and cleaner to produce gasoline



4. enormous quantity of water is required to irrigate biofuel crops as well as to produce the fuel itself. Every one say save the fresh water its not in infinite supply.



5. I dont know how many diesel vs gasoline vehicle there is in canada but other than eheavy equipment and pick up truck, there is not many cars that are diesel so market is still small.



6. Emission regulations are pretty strict, many car maker that had diesel engine abandonned the idea when US tightenned the laws around it. VW had to remove their TDI from market a few yrs until they could meet regulation, same thing witn Audi, Mercedes, BMW, Ford, Chrysler, Even Jeep and GM.



Now the new trend coming out is electric. Id say that is clean 0 emmission.(well if we dont count production of the batteries) and I would love to put my hands on the Raser Electric H3.

So personnally I dont think biofuel will ever make it to mass market. it will be for the select few, fleets, public transit cie and few others. Too expensive and poluant to produce, too expensive to roll out the distribution.



And at over 1.35 to 1.50/l biodiesel is not really cheap



That was my 2.5 cent this time on the subject.



Now to complete this if you still want to find some on Ontario here are a few place that should still have it.



STOHO'S (B50)

1001 Queen Street E. @ Pape Avenue

Toronto, ON Canada



Truck Town Terminals in Milton Ontario is now selling B20.

They're on the east edge of town, just north of the 401



Biodiesel In The City Of Barrie

50 Fairview Road

Barrie, On

Opposite Mandarin (fairview & Little Ave.)

Hwy.400 & Essa

Wixom Road Just north of 96. Across from the Ford plant there is a gas station that does B5



Truck Town Terminals – B100 in Jerry cans and B50 at the pump

Steeles Ave east of the James Snow Parkway

Milton, Ontario



Ottawa (Canada)

Topia Green Stop - B10, B20

1621 Woodward Street, K2C OP9

Ottawa, Ontario

excellent Marc... thanks I am very curious and I do want to give it a try...need B20...will check out Truck Town Terminals in Mississauga

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Why we dont have more Biodiesel Station.. well

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Like most things, biodiesel comes down to money. Biodiesel isn't a prosperous industry, hence there are few stations - its expensive to produce, and is a "niche" industry. There are few diesel vehicles on the road (pickups, a few of the diesel "eco" cars, and large trucks), and one must assume not everyone will be using it even if it was available. Compare it to gas, which nearly every vehicle uses regularly. What is more profitable? 5 biodiesel tanks or 500 gas tanks? Mixed diesel/biodiesel is more plausible, but oil companies won't want to be doing that because it will cut into their profits. The reason why many cities use it to power their vehicles, is because they often get a fixed contract with biodiesel companies - and it looks good to the eco-friendly voters too.



Even if we had the option readily available, I can't say I would be going out of my way to be filling up with biodiesel anytime soon.

I would like to try it.. even if it costs a bit more.. might help a little with our image..or maybe not but I am more curious then anything else...

[quote name='dwaxman1' date='23 September 2010 - 11:06 AM' timestamp='1285254387' post='21324']

I would like to try it.. even if it costs a bit more.. might help a little with our image..or maybe not but I am more curious then anything else...

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I know there are a few guys in the US that run their trucks on BD, so there is nothing wrong with trying it. I'm just saying it my case, I'm not planning on going out of the way to get some. If there is some locally, at the same price or less, then I may be open to it.



Unfortunetly, I don't think anything less than getting rid of the trucks will satisfy a lot of the "eco-people". What they think goes something like this: the truck is big and boxy, hence it must be bad for the environment. What they don't realize is most sportscars (I don't see them protesting Ferraris and Lamborghinis), pickups (especially the larger ones) and some big SUVs are either worse in fuel economy or equal to the H1s. To try to get this point across to most is pointless. Its been nice to see this hatred is dying down a bit over the past few years, but I think it is more due to the economic situation than anything else.