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How to ruin a set of lights...

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This is a quick guide on how to totally ruin a set of expensive running lights;



Step 1: Purchase and install a nice set of lights, insure you have light covers to protect them!



Step 2: Take your truck to Shaw GMC



Step 3: Leave the truck in the hands of once of the techs for a few hours, have them turn on the lights without taking the covers off for an hour or so.



Step 4: Voila... completely and utterly ruined lights



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Re: How to ruin a set of lights...

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woooooow , I'd be pissed ....they buying you new ones?
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That's odd, I coulda sworn that the Hella clear covers can be run over top of a lit up 500 series housing, and I know the lightforce ones not only are needed, but actually act as different types of lenses (fog, driving, etc). Shame that the roo-lite ones arent. What did you pay for those housings?



Are they wired to the ignition, or are they on their own switch?
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The black leather covers are on as a legality more than anything else; seen in this photo: those are what the dealer left on when they were operating the lights.



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The clear polycarbonate covers that go over the lamps are basically indestructible to rocks and stones and protect the glass. These are essentially the same type of light as Lightforce, totally vibration resistant & you can shoot them with a shot gun just the same and they would be fine.



Something that makes them a bit unique is they use Phillips xenophot bulbs (similar to what you would find in the dentist office overhead lamps)... which not only put out an amazing amount of light for the wattage, but also project it as an extremely wide spectrum of colors which makes the beam hot.



If you put your hand in front of the light a few feet it will actually heat your hand up quickly. Of course if you cover that beam the heat generated actually melted the glass on the front in addition to the polycarbonate covers.



When I bought them I hunted around a lot and got them for about $200 a light, they might be cheaper these days though.



They are pretty wild lights, better than anything else I have seen in real life yet. I am more than a little pissed off when I took the covers off to find them damaged like this.



The lights are wired to the ignition, plus it has a blue light inside that comes on if you turn them on... I can only assume when they were "test driving it" they thought the glowing blue switch was for the fog lights or something because they had to have been on for like an hour or more to do this kind of damage.



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woooooow , I'd be pissed ....they buying you new ones?

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I am calling them tomorrow, but I seriously doubt they will own up to it.
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Sugar, if I understand you correctly, and with as crappy of an ordeal as youve had (that Ive read on here), I really have to stay on the fence on this one. If the lights come on as soon as you turn on the truck, then continue reading, otherwise forgive my reading comprehension and ignore my rambling lol.



It really does suck that the lights ended up breaking, but there's a part of me that also thinks that when one modifies their vehicle, they have to think about not just the intended use/purpose of the modification, but also the potential situations for which they could be in that may cause damage to the equipment, truck, driver, or others. For this reason alone, Ive wired up all my auxillary lights to seperate switches that will not come on unless switched on, and are always left in the off position. For us guys who actually use our trucks for their intended purposes, you have to agree that it involves a lot of auxillary equipment (which inturn means extra switches, buttons, etc) that wont always be in our hands, and as such failsafes should be left to *try* and avoid thses situations. I agree that the mechanic should have been more aware, but at the same time, Id rather modify and wire up my lights that prevent a situation like this rather than assume/hope/expect that the mechanic, wash kid, lot kid, etc, are respectful of my vehicle, unsupervised. The more you custom tailor a vehicle to your application, the more potential there is for further situations like these.





That said, those lights sound really impressive! What other brands did you compare them to/up against 'in real life' and which lenses do they have? Wattage?
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Re: How to ruin a set of lights...

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They are wired to a switch in the cab and the relay comes off the of the truck ignition power, the only way they can be turned on is with the switch which has a blue indicator light in conjunction with the vehicle being turned on.



In my view they shouldn’t have been fiddling with aftermarket switches at all; although I was talking to a few other people that were out this weekend who specifically fingered Shaw GMC for messing with off-road equipment on their vehicle and acquaintances of theirs as well; apparently things like unwinding and then crimping winch cables when rewinding & off-road lights are common casualty. They suggested I build in kill switches for any equipment when I take it to them from now on.



Oh well, lesson learned I suppose. SHAW <img src='http://www.canadianhummerclub.com/forum ... ey-054.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':poke:' />



Actually I may have been incorrect about them using different bulbs than LightForce, the LightForce 170 Striker use the xenophot bulbs, adjustable reflector & polycarbonate covers as well.



Any Piaa or KC's I have seen in real life has been pretty much blow away by the performance. The other types of Lightforce lamps I have seen are pretty intense, but I find that the HID's don't seem to give you the true daylight color as the xenophot bulbs; which gives you remarkable depth perception. It is one of the reasons that dentists and operating rooms use that bulb, they provide a massive spectrum of light which makes it much easier to see things.
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Re: How to ruin a set of lights...

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Ahh well then Im in full agreement that the onus lies on the dealership to ensure that any non-related equipment/dials/switches/gear/etc are not messed with. Thats a really crappy situation dude, no less ontop of what you've already been thru with your truck.



I'll have to look into those Roo Lites, they sound pretty killer.
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Re: How to ruin a set of lights...

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Some good news, I spotted a pair of LightForce Stryker’s 170's on Amazon.com for $250 USD... which as far as I can tell are identical to my current lamps in pretty much every way. Better than the 400-500 I was expecting.



http://www.amazon.com/LightForce-170-St ... 047&sr=8-2



Even better:

http://www.truckcustomizers.com/product ... ights.html



When I first bought my Roo-Lights I think the Lightforce ones were only availiable with standard Halogen bulbs, and they retailed for close to $400 each. My Roo-Lights were only $200 each at that time, although tough to find because they were brought in only by a few places from Australia. I had them on my Jeep for about 3 years, then on the Hummer... they have seen a ton of trail duty, been submerged tons of times and been shaken like mad endlessly on gravel roads, still using the original bulbs... I have a replacement set somewhere that came with them too.





I left a message for Shaw; while I am sure they have a policy in place that exonerates them of any wrong doing I want to see if they can at least offer a new set at cost through the parts department.
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Re: How to ruin a set of lights...

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Awesome...



So apparently the guy in Shaw who can give me an answer as to if they will replace or do anything about my lights is on vacation for 2 more weeks. I asked the active manager if they could just order in a set of lights through the parts department for cost instead of waiting... he flatly denied it until they can consult this guy who is off on vacation.



So I get to drive around with useless melted lights until then I guess... <img src='http://www.canadianhummerclub.com/forum ... ngHead.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':banghead:' />
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