Tires

[SADA]

Hi guys. I know this is an old topic but I need some help. I am looking around to buy 4 new tires with rim. My choise is Toyo Open Country M/T for the tires and Blackout from Fastwheels for the rims. ( ? ) The problem what I am facing is that when I went to the OK Tires shop in Barrie and asked if the 35" tires fit without modification to my H3 was told that is for me to find out from HUMMER manufacturer. What a good customer service !!!!! Here is my question guys : How are this Toyo tires and how noisy are on the hyway ? How big can I go without any modification ( not touching anything when turning ) on my H3.

Thank you for any ideas, help.

[Khamul]

Without a simple modification, not they won't. So it depends on what you want to do.... if you just want to modify for the tires - simply turn the torsion bar keys one full turn and that should raise your front end about 1" which is all you need, then they fit fine. If you get any rubbing, just turn another half turn on each side, make sure your turns are identical for both sides.



Tires are a good choice - I would find another retailer!!

[SADA]

[quote name='Khamul' timestamp='1297090680' post='24996']

Without a simple modification, not they won't. So it depends on what you want to do.... if you just want to modify for the tires - simply turn the torsion bar keys one full turn and that should raise your front end about 1" which is all you need, then they fit fine. If you get any rubbing, just turn another half turn on each side, make sure your turns are identical for both sides.



Tires are a good choice - I would find another retailer!!







Thank you

[Hesh]

Im going to have to disagree on behalf of the retailer's objections. There are so many factors that come into play when recommending/selling wheels and tires for vehicles, and fitment charts provided to most stores are strictly based on factory-replacement sizing (changing the tire/rim size but maintaining the same outside diameter). I too would advise you to do your own research if sitting on the other side of the counter, and have done so in other situations, but with the recommendation of checking with user/owner-forums for the info, as typically user/owner forums are flooded with guys who are spending their hard earned money on these parts, and will give you an honest response as to whether something will work, and what to expect/anticipate. I can read all the factory-paid product knowledge to a customer day-in and day-out, but until you actually talk to the guys running the parts, and the struggles they might have encountered to get them on/working, you really wont have an accurate or honest idea of what to expect. Besides, once a set of tires are mounted and balanced, they are 'sold' and not returnable from a retailer to their supplier, and rather than take a customer's money for a product they cant use and cause a customer service situation down the road, Id rather let that customer hold their money and do their own research and in doing so, assume their own risks as a result.



What may not always be most customer-convenient is actually more motivated by customer-service than what people actually realize in a retail/parts environment.

[whitehumh2]

I'm with Hesh on this one. I have seen all too many people change their wheels and then they rub like crazy.



I do however know for a fact that you can run 35" tires on the factory rims along with torsion bar crank and they do not rub in normal driving conditions. Offroad they will rub as the suspension will cycle through its travel.



The Toyos are awesome btw. I run them on my H2 and they are amazingly quite and smooth for such an agressive tire.



Do your homework on the rims before you buy!!!



Hope this helps!



Kev

[SADA]

Thank you very much for all the good ideas. Definetly I will be more carefuly what I will buy. The rims are 18" from Fastwheel.( Blsckout, model )

[JL]

I've got the 35" Toyo MTs on my H3 with a small torsion bar lift (about 1.25") and I have never had them rub off-road.



For street driving I do believe that the 35" will fit without any kind of lift to the front end and that you won't have much rubbing if you stick to driving on the street. On the stock rim the 35" Toyo WILL rub on the front sway bar if you crank the steering wheel all the way whether you're off road or getting groceries, and sadly that is something you'd just have to live with as I do whether you turn up the torsion bars or not. Don't really know anything about the rims you have picked out but if you do your homework and get a rim with the right backspacing you might be able to eliminate rubbing on the sway bar!



It's a nice tire, done really well for me off road and overall I'm definitely happy with them. Sound wise they have a hum that starts at about 70kph and gets louder the faster you go. For a mudder it's generally considered to be a quieter one, but compared to your average tire they are very loud! You will hear the tire noise no doubt about it. They are also one of the heaviest mudders (if I remember... 76lbs per tire!) and will really hurt your gas mileage. I burn about 20L per 100km which averages out to less than 12MPG!!! My mileage was MUCH better before the big tires!! At best I can get about 400km highway driving before I need to fill. 300-350km per tank in mixed driving. Yes it is very bad on gas.... I can easily drown out the tire noise with the stereo at a modest volume, so



For street driving I'd seriously consider some other tire as the mudders do come with their compromises, but if you're off roading and can live with the tradeoffs then they are bitchin! <img src='http://www.canadianhummerclub.com/forum ... ght_on.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':right_on:' /> My other choice was the BFG KM2, another great tire that many people are very happy with. Ultimately I went with the Toyos just because they were more readily available in my area but either should be great!



Good luck whatever you choose!!

[shotgun-cam]

On H3's stock is p265/75r16's they can use alternate size LT285/75r16's. oh Kumho's on ice will lose grip if trying to pull another vehicle out of ditch ( so did a pickup with standard snows)

[Khamul]

[quote name='Polar Bear' timestamp='1297119276' post='25014']

I'm with Hesh on this one. I have seen all too many people change their wheels and then they rub like crazy.



I do however know for a fact that you can run 35" tires on the factory rims along with torsion bar crank and they do not rub in normal driving conditions. Offroad they will rub as the suspension will cycle through its travel.



The Toyos are awesome btw. I run them on my H2 and they are amazingly quite and smooth for such an agressive tire.



Do your homework on the rims before you buy!!!



Hope this helps!



Kev

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Well, I stand by what I said.



I'm not one for holding people accountable or anything like that - but I do expect them to know the products that they sell. A good retailer will know if a tire on a particular rim will fit on a vehicle...why?... because that's their area of expertise or should be.... They should be a good guide in the tire and rim selection process keeping in mind that the consumer should be educated n the process as well, and has the final decision.... That's all I was saying - a guide is the best way to put it.



Another good choice is the Good Year Fierce Attitude MT. I hadn't heard of this one until last Saturday but a buddy had them on his truck and he did very well out there in the deep snow. It looks almost like a MT / AT Hybrid so the best of both worlds. I'm not a Goodyear fan, but will keep an eye on these for wear as I always found with goodyear that they are toast after only 20k kms.



I run KM2's which I like but they lack any siping thus I'll be ordering a grooving tool to modify them a bit for added traction in the snow...



Here's a good website for tire reviews: http://www.offroaders.com/tech/AT-MT-Tires/index.html

[Hesh]

[quote name='Khamul' timestamp='1297263672' post='25049']

Well, I stand by what I said. I'm not one for holding people accountable or anything like that - but I do expect them to know the products that they sell. A good retailer will know if a tire on a particular rim will fit on a vehicle...why?... because that's their area of expertise or should be.... They should be a good guide in the tire and rim selection process keeping in mind that the consumer should be educated n the process as well, and has the final decision.... That's all I was saying - a guide is the best way to put it.[/quote]



Youre buying a tire - *not* accepting legal or medical advice. To think that someone should be able to know how far an owner can push/exceed the factory parameters on such a WIDE PLETHORA OF PRODUCTS & VEHICLES is flat out ridiculous. The amount theyd have to pay the guys to be willing to take on a job that required such training and education, and the paycheques that would follow would drive already ridiculously high parts/tire prices sky-high. It doesnt take a genius to sell car parts, or to make them a hobby, but what you seem to have for expectations are ludicrous. It is hard enough finding 100% accurate information within the manufacturer-provided charts and literature on fitments and what-have-you, and these are the companies making millions upon millions on these products with the R&D departments dedicated to this area - to expect your tire shop salesperson to be able to do that AND more (by way of how far one can push the limits of factory specs), nevermind then exposing themselves in a society where the-customer-is-always-right to the liability and obligation to stand behind the product or hold responsibility when/if it fails or causes failure elsewhere (powertrain, etc). It doesnt help that above and beyond everything that the tire business is a VERY difficult business in Canada to be in, with the likes of Costco and cross-border pricing being the way it is. Customers are not willing to pay the prices that are being set by the manufacturers (and not as directly dictated by the shops as most think), and to add these expectations, well...are you seeing where Im coming from here?